Trial begins of man accused of murdering Hartlepool pensioner
45 year old Ahmed Alid, denies murdering 70 year old Terrence Carney in Hartlepool Town centre last October, as well as the attempted murder of his housemate
Last updated 11th Apr 2024
A Hartlepool man, accused of murdering a pensioner in the street, has appeared before a jury as his trial begins.
45 year old Ahmed Alid, denies murdering 70 year old Terrence Carney in Hartlepool town centre last October, as well as the attempted murder of his housemate Javed Nouri, and assaulting two female police officers who had interviewed him after his arrest.
Jonathan Sandiford KC, prosecuting, said Alid armed himself with two knives in the early hours of October 15 when he attacked Mr Nouri, who was asleep, at their shared house in Wharton Terrace, Hartlepool.
Alid, an asylum seeker from Morocco, was already living in the accommodation when Mr Nouri moved there last summer and the defendant initially assumed he was a Muslim as he was keen on cleaning.
Mr Sandiford said Alid told him that "cleanliness was a sign of a good Muslim".
But "matters changed" when Mr Nouri began to attend church and it became clear to Alid that he was a Christian convert "therefore, in the defendant's eyes, an apostate who deserved to die", Mr Sandiford added.
The housemates formed the view that Alid followed an extreme version of Islam, the court heard.
Mr Sandiford said: "The Crown does not have to prove a motive - a reason why the defendant attacked Mr Nouri and Mr Carney.
"However, there is evidence that the defendant had several motives for attacking Mr Nouri, one of which was also the reason why he killed Mr Carney.
"First, there was some friction between the defendant and Mr Nouri from living in the shared house.
"In particular, Mr Nouri had reported the defendant to the police and those responsible for managing their accommodation.
"Second, Mr Nouri was a Muslim who had converted to Christianity, and the defendant would therefore have regarded him as an apostate or 'murtad'.
"Third, when the defendant was interviewed by the police, he initially thought that he had killed both Mr Nouri and Mr Carney.
"He said he had wanted to kill them because of the conflict in Gaza.
"The defendant said he would have killed more people if he had been able to do so."
The jury was told that Alid and Mr Nouri were asylum seekers living in Home Office-approved or provided accommodation, along with two others.
Housemates noticed Alid was paying particular attention to news coverage of the Hamas attacks on October 7 and had begun to carry a knife, the jury heard.
The jury heard a 999 call made by a housemate in which shouts of "Allahu Akbar" could be heard, meaning "God is great".
Alid stabbed him in the upper chest, near his heart, causing Mr Nouri to scream "What are you doing?", the court heard.
He sustained further injuries to the mouth, thigh and calf while fighting him off, and one of the attacker's knives snapped.
Mr Sandiford said: "Javed Nouri felt dizzy but managed to keep control of the defendant by using the headlock and holding his arm.
"He described the situation he was in as a nightmare, being attacked with a knife in the dark when he was sleepy, the defendant shouting 'Allahu Akbar' and, at first, no one from upstairs responding to his shouts for help."
With the help of others, Mr Nouri eventually fought off Alid, who fled the property, the police arrived and he was taken to the James Cook University Hospital in Middlesbrough for treatment, the court was told.
Ahmed Alid began to threaten his housemates in the run-up to the attack on Mr Nouri, who was more powerfully-built than the defendant, and so not afraid of him, the court heard.
Mr Nouri complained about Alid's behaviour to housing managers and to friends at church.
Housing bosses warned Alid he would have to leave the house if his behaviour continued, the prosecution said.
Friends at church advised Mr Nouri to tell police his concerns, which he did, but an officer advised him that no offence had been committed at that stage.
Those complaints provided Alid with more motive to attack Mr Nouri, the court heard, and at 5am on October 13 he broke into his housemate's bedroom armed with two knives.
The Prosecution allege that Alid's path then crossed with Mr Carney and CCTV images showed him repeatedly stab the pensioner in Tees Street at around 5.30am.
Footage from a doorbell camera was played in court, during which the victim was heard to cry out "no, no".
He was able to get to his feet but collapsed and died nearby, having been stabbed six times in the chest, abdomen and back.
The court heard that Alid left Mr Carney for dead and was arrested nearby with a bloody knife in his waistband.
They then heard how Alid, interviewed by DC Angela Harvey and DC Emma Stevenson, became "agitated" towards his interpreter, Mr Sandiford said.
He blocked the door and DC Stevenson pressed a panic button and his solicitor called 999 from inside the interview room.
Alid lunged at DC Harvey and grabbed her so DC Stevenson leapt to assist and all three fell to the floor, allowing officers to gain entry to the room and Alid was restrained.
Today Mrs Justice Cheeba-Grubb told jurors it was "unlikely" Alid will deny stabbing the two men but it would be for them to decide what his intentions were when he did the acts.
The trial continues.